Episode Transcript
[00:00:02] Speaker A: I'm Alex Stone, former military service member and law enforcement officer, now CEO of Echelon Protected Services, one of the fastest growing private security firms on the west coast. And this is ride along, where our guest and I witness firsthand the issues affecting our community.
I believe our proven method of enacting meaningful change through compassion and understanding is the best way to make our streets a safer place and truly achieve security through the community.
[00:00:47] Speaker B: Hi there. I'm Michael Bach. I'm one of the directors of Echelon.
Today we're doing the podcast doing the ride along, which means you get to sit next to me, and we'll go to work. So, I guess time to hit the streets. Let's get started.
[00:01:02] Speaker A: Hey, we're here. Ride along, doing the podcast in the van with Michael Bach, one of the best in the business.
As you know, he's a director here at Echelon. We're hitting the streets. We're just about to enter our district.
Bach, why don't you give us a little plan about what's coming up?
[00:01:22] Speaker B: Right now, I think we're just doing a site survey of everything in the area. That's usually what I do when I start the shift, is look around, and I don't start at one particular spot. I do the best I can to not make my day starting out routine, except to say that I start in different spots, look in different places, and try and mix it up every single time. I guess you could say that is routine, but I try to be predictably unpredictable, and that just means I'm going to be visiting different spots at different times of the day. I don't want a rhythm to it. I don't want to be predictable.
But right now, yeah, we're waiting for calls to come in, and we're also looking for things that we need to address and for people that we feel like we can reach out to and make a difference in someone's life.
[00:02:08] Speaker A: We just finished the call. We weren't able to get the camera crew up and ready in time. It was basically a call guy with a knife. We went to the property very easily deescalated. Buck did a great job. The guy, you know, was just trying to sleep, and he was roused, I think. And when you're. When you're on the streets and someone wakes you up in the morning, you don't know if you're getting robbed, you know, if someone's gonna sexually assault you, you don't know what's going on. So that initial contact is always, you know, a little precarious for tenants that are in commercial spaces and. But, yeah, we were able to show up, de escalate the guy, and help him get somewhere. So.
[00:02:49] Speaker B: Cool.
[00:02:50] Speaker A: Right now we're going to a nonprofit. We have a partnership with this nonprofit.
We don't really mention their name again. They like to handle their own media, and we respect that. So box is going to go and handle a shift inside there?
[00:03:05] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:03:05] Speaker B: It's a peacekeeping mission. Sometimes people get a little upset or what have you, and it.
You know, it can be a little unpredictable with. But at the same time, it's a great spot to have people meet and get resources and such, and as a result, we want to be there to help out.
Is that guy got a. Is that guy got a stick? What is that right there? He looks angry. Straight ahead.
[00:03:31] Speaker A: Looks like a cane.
[00:03:33] Speaker B: Yeah, or a belt. No, I can't tell. It's on the other side of his body.
Oh, all right. Looks like it's just that.
Okay. Up and at him.
[00:03:46] Speaker C: All right.
[00:03:46] Speaker A: We're gonna hit the streets.
You wanna golf? 360.
[00:03:53] Speaker B: You doing all right, my man?
Doing okay. How's life treating you?
[00:03:57] Speaker A: He's making contact.
[00:03:59] Speaker B: Oh, I don't need any of that in my life. You want to cap that sucker?
Yeah. You need anything?
Unity. Unity?
[00:04:12] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:04:12] Speaker B: You want to go to unity?
Oh, no, I don't need anything. You put that cap on that sucker, I'll give you a cigarette.
All right, then. All right, well, I'm Michael. Let me know if you do need anything. What is your name? Cyrus Osiris. All right, brother. Have a good day, Cyrus.
[00:04:33] Speaker A: All right, box. Headed out.
[00:04:40] Speaker B: Okay. So right now we're in our district.
We're looking for potential problems.
[00:04:48] Speaker A: Anything out of the ordinary.
[00:04:49] Speaker B: Anything out of the ordinary. We're also documenting the fact that we're visiting the properties that we're assigned to. We're documenting them with a camera which documents the fact that not only were we there, but the condition of the property at the time. So we can document when vandalism occurs, spray painting on buildings and that kind of thing. And that's typically done with a picture, and that's great. Pictures speak a thousand words, but we're do the best we can to avoid taking pictures of people.
[00:05:15] Speaker A: That's right.
[00:05:16] Speaker B: Uh, not interested in taking photos of people. More interested in taking pictures of property and then making sure that the condition is intact, so.
[00:05:23] Speaker A: Awesome.
[00:05:24] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:05:24] Speaker B: Give me a nice slow patch. Go straight. We're gonna end up turning left here behind this rav. But I want to get my phone. Has decided that it's gonna start being blurry all the time, and I think that has to do with the fact that it's been treated like it's been in a war zone.
[00:05:50] Speaker A: I think the company should actually get you a new phone since you're a director now.
[00:05:53] Speaker B: I think that'd be fantastic, Alex. I would greatly appreciate that.
[00:05:56] Speaker A: Yep. Get you a brand new iPhone.
[00:05:58] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:06:01] Speaker A: Good.
[00:06:02] Speaker B: Yeah. Let me know when I can pull the trigger on that man immediately. Okay.
[00:06:10] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:06:11] Speaker A: Awesome. We're gonna keep patrolling. We're gonna take calls, and when jump into something interesting, we're gonna make sure you're there with us.
[00:06:18] Speaker B: So we just got a call about a possible medical emergency, and it's up here at one of our properties. We're gonna go check it out. It could be somebody ignoring another person, or it could be something serious. We don't know yet, but we're take a look.
So the update now is that the guard wants us to call medical. We got another security guard doing that for us.
We're just going to go and see if we can help out in some way and if there's something we can do for them.
It's not that far away, essentially. You see that market straight ahead where the cones are? That's where we need to stop. I'm just gonna fall out.
[00:07:02] Speaker A: Yeah, do you think?
[00:07:12] Speaker B: 07:05 where is this at again? I'm at 1122 Stark. Harvey Milk. There you are.
I keep trying to show.
[00:07:22] Speaker C: Take him, wake him. He fades in. Hey, bud.
Hey, bud.
[00:07:30] Speaker B: Huh? Okay. Yeah, let's take a look. My man. Are you breathing? He's breathing. He's breathing. He's talking. Every time I get him to wake up for a couple seconds, he kind of winces in pain. So I was trying to figure out what was going on, but he's got really slurred speech. Yeah.
First cloak.
[00:07:47] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:07:53] Speaker B: Well.
[00:07:57] Speaker C: Hey, buddy.
Hey, buddy.
[00:08:01] Speaker B: You doing okay?
You doing okay? Can you breathe for me?
[00:08:06] Speaker C: Yeah. You doing okay?
[00:08:08] Speaker B: I'm worried about you.
Nah, I'm not trying to be mean. I'm just worried about you, my man.
[00:08:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:08:18] Speaker B: So this is. I believe this to be severe alcohol intoxication. And I think they're gonna want to. AmR is already in round and caught that 705.
[00:08:47] Speaker C: I got him in my car.
[00:08:47] Speaker B: You can update medical and let him know that this is likely severe alcohol intoxication. We've got decreased level of consciousness, shallow breathing, but he has aroused a pain response.
[00:08:58] Speaker C: Hey.
Hey.
Yeah. Hey.
[00:09:07] Speaker B: Can you sit up for me, bud?
Can you sit up for me?
[00:09:13] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:09:14] Speaker B: Want to make sure you still breathe in, okay? You weren't doing so good. Okay. I'm Michael.
I'm Michael. Can you stay breathing for me?
This is a little bit like what we had the other day.
[00:09:32] Speaker A: Yeah. A lot of alcohol. I smell the alcohol. I don't see any straws. We see no foil. We smell sponges. That's all important.
[00:09:40] Speaker B: Can I borrow your finger?
[00:09:43] Speaker A: So right now, he's checking oxygen levels.
[00:09:48] Speaker B: Only to pain and stimulus.
Can I borrow your finger?
Yeah. He's okay in terms of, like that.
[00:09:57] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:09:57] Speaker A: Gotcha. Thanks.
Do you know his name?
[00:10:10] Speaker B: How you doing, bro?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not opiates. I think it's. I think it's alcohol.
[00:10:28] Speaker A: Oh, really? Okay. Okay. He said that the guy said he was on smoking fentanyl on foil.
[00:10:37] Speaker B: He did?
[00:10:41] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:10:44] Speaker A: They're pretty small.
They seem constricted.
[00:10:48] Speaker B: Yeah, you need to. You need to sit up, buddy.
They're a little constricted.
[00:10:52] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:10:54] Speaker B: Can you sit up for me, my man?
[00:10:55] Speaker A: So we had a guy come up and said that he did see him smoke some fentanyl. So it looks. Appears to be alcohol and fentanyl.
[00:11:07] Speaker C: Come on, buddy. Come on, buddy.
Come on, buddy.
[00:11:14] Speaker B: Okay, if this gets worse, I'm gonna shoot some narcan into your nose.
[00:11:22] Speaker C: Hey.
[00:11:27] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:11:41] Speaker B: Stay breathing for me, buddy.
Stay breathing for me.
[00:11:52] Speaker C: Come on, now.
[00:11:59] Speaker A: We administer one dose of narcan. One dose of narcan.
[00:12:12] Speaker C: Come on, bud.
[00:12:13] Speaker B: Hey, I need you to stay breathing, okay?
Okay.
[00:12:28] Speaker C: Come on, now.
Come on, now.
[00:12:37] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:12:38] Speaker C: Come on, buddy.
Hey, come on.
[00:12:54] Speaker B: You're not breathing, buddy. Pupils are going like this. So that's the naloxone working?
[00:13:02] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:13:02] Speaker A: Yeah. So the pupils are getting larger, which is showing that it's having an effect on the fentanyl.
[00:13:09] Speaker C: Come on, buddy.
[00:13:11] Speaker B: Come on.
Okay, I just need you to stay awake, buddy. I'm worried about you.
[00:13:17] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:13:18] Speaker B: I'm worried about you.
So we're two minutes right now.
[00:13:30] Speaker C: Come on, bud.
[00:13:31] Speaker B: Look at me.
[00:13:32] Speaker C: Come on.
[00:13:34] Speaker B: Yeah. I need you to stay awake, man.
[00:13:44] Speaker A: We get oxygen reading?
[00:13:45] Speaker B: No, because he's too. He's. He's got enough in him because he keeps doing this, so. But it's the consciousness level that's the issue, right? See?
[00:13:55] Speaker C: Come on, bud.
[00:13:57] Speaker B: Come on.
[00:13:57] Speaker C: Come on, buddy. Okay.
Come on.
Yeah.
[00:14:08] Speaker A: So it's a. In this type of situation, you don't want to escalate somebody, but you got to keep them breathing.
[00:14:15] Speaker C: Come on, buddy.
[00:14:16] Speaker A: You got to keep engaged. So you're making sure the person's not gonna overdose, right?
I don't see an amr yet?
[00:14:23] Speaker B: No. And they could be a while. Yeah, unfortunately.
My man.
07:05. Do you have an update at all for AMR, or are you still on the phone with 911?
Copy. Can you do me a favor? Call them back. Let them know that a bystander who knows the individual personally witnessed him using fentanyl.
We have given eight milligrams of naloxone and 705. Additionally, we're still struggling with a level of consciousness, and as a result, this is a medical emergency. It's not just intoxication.
[00:15:12] Speaker C: Come on, bud.
[00:15:20] Speaker B: Not really, no. The scene's secure. For the sake of the patient, there's no risk to anything else. And I've got another two people here, so the scene is relatively safe. We just need medical to drive.
Will do, sir.
See, I gave it. I gave that first. I gave that dose four minutes ago.
But in this shape, it's, like, not gonna give him another one because he's of his level of consciousness.
Are you doing okay, man? What's your name? I'm Michael.
Do you want a cigarette?
[00:16:37] Speaker A: He's out, bro.
[00:16:38] Speaker B: He's out?
[00:16:39] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:16:39] Speaker A: I mean, if he's only had one beer.
[00:16:40] Speaker B: I mean, he's not had one beer.
[00:16:42] Speaker A: No.
[00:16:47] Speaker B: Definitely not had one beer.
And I'm not interested in standing him at all. You know what I mean? We're not here.
[00:17:06] Speaker A: So we're standing here, right? We have someone overdosing could possibly die had we not. Had they not been caught by an echelon guard. Across the street is a multi million dollar construction project. You have people working. Yeah, working with asses off, trying to build a building. Yeah. People coming and going from work. And in the middle of all this chaos, people are just dying on the street. And it's really sad, but this is the reality we live in every day.
[00:17:31] Speaker B: See how his conditions improved?
[00:17:33] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:17:34] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:17:35] Speaker B: This is an improvement from what it was before, and I'm. That's because of this.
[00:17:48] Speaker A: So why the noises? What is that about?
[00:17:51] Speaker C: What do you mean?
[00:17:51] Speaker A: Just coming in and out of consciousness, or you think he's in pain?
[00:17:54] Speaker B: Yeah, it could be pain. Really? It's super hard to tell. I mean, I can't get a. I can't get a verbal response. So it's all pain. Right. But severe drunkenness and then the fact that the bystander, who I know is crazy incredible with regard to the history here and then the pupils being what they are. Because normally when you show up, you're looking for signs and symptoms of opioid abuse and an overdose. Right?
[00:18:17] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:18:18] Speaker B: You're looking for straws, foils, you're looking for the torch, lighter, stuff like that.
[00:18:23] Speaker A: Do you think maybe he fell in that position?
[00:18:25] Speaker B: Not likely. I mean, he'd have to hit himself, but then I'd be looking for signs of trauma.
[00:18:28] Speaker A: No, nothing on the head.
[00:18:30] Speaker B: I mean, there's old injury there. Okay. And it's. Yeah. See, this position is going to be rough, my man.
[00:18:36] Speaker C: You, why don't you sit up?
[00:18:37] Speaker B: I'll help you. I'll help you.
You can lean against the door.
[00:18:41] Speaker C: I literally got three times.
[00:18:43] Speaker B: You what?
[00:18:44] Speaker C: Three times I've done it. Okay.
[00:18:47] Speaker B: I don't know what that means. You've done it three times.
There will be a very abrupt sort of ignoring of the fact that I'm standing here by these guys. I can almost guarantee it.
Safe.
[00:19:05] Speaker A: I'll stay here if you want to go prep him and tell him what's up.
[00:19:08] Speaker B: Yeah, sure.
[00:19:10] Speaker A: We're good, bro. Thanks, brother. Appreciate it.
So when we. When you transfer a scene over, you want to have a stew audi?
[00:19:21] Speaker B: We're doing all right. I got a gentleman here who's found.
[00:19:23] Speaker A: Down as few as people as possible.
[00:19:25] Speaker B: Very, very.
[00:19:26] Speaker A: So I told the other security guard, hey, kick loose, continue your route. Boss is going to go walk over there and prep them and tell them what's going on.
[00:19:33] Speaker B: He's been right. He's been in pain and his reeks of alcohol with his pinpoint pupils. I gave him one dose of cloxido, and then since then, it's been in this condition, but his alertness and response to stimuli has greatly increased. It's been way, way, way low.
[00:19:56] Speaker C: Yeah, they gave.
[00:19:56] Speaker B: You gave him basically Narcan, right?
[00:19:58] Speaker A: You called it something else.
[00:19:58] Speaker B: It's cloxidil, which is eight milligrams of naloxone.
No, I don't. But again, a bystander who was talking to me, who knows, but we didn't.
[00:20:20] Speaker A: See a head injury when I showed up as pimp.
[00:20:22] Speaker B: Pupils were pinpoint but wildly improved, verbal and. Yeah.
[00:20:41] Speaker A: I don't think he can move his right leg.
[00:20:43] Speaker B: I don't know. I just don't know.
[00:20:46] Speaker A: I don't think he can move his right leg.
Me. Oh, I'm. I'm doing a documentary about homelessness.
[00:21:03] Speaker C: Got it.
I think he's doing okay. Happy with that.
[00:21:32] Speaker A: He said he washed and used Fenton also.
[00:21:40] Speaker C: All right.
[00:21:54] Speaker B: No, no, no, no.
Don't do that.
Don't attack people.
Don't attack people.
[00:22:07] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:22:14] Speaker B: Okay. I need you to leave, brother.
I'm Michael, man.
Okay. What. What's your name, my man? I'm here to help you.
[00:22:23] Speaker C: I work security.
[00:22:24] Speaker A: I'm not medical.
I tried to attack.
[00:22:27] Speaker B: I work security.
[00:22:28] Speaker A: I'm not pleased you got that on camera. Try to grab their medical equipment. And then he actually attacked the camera guy as well. You're okay? Yeah. Bock's still talking to him.
[00:22:39] Speaker B: Do you want to go to the hospital?
[00:22:40] Speaker A: In America, you have the right to refuse medical.
[00:22:42] Speaker B: He want. Hey, he wants to go to the hospital.
Yeah, if you go to the hospital, why are you fighting him?
[00:22:50] Speaker A: So he's. I think that his right leg might be broken. He's not using it very well, but.
[00:22:55] Speaker B: He tries to take you to the hospital.
[00:22:57] Speaker A: So basically when. When you're combative, that's a sign that you're refusing medical care.
So it looks like the medical units are just going to leave him here.
[00:23:05] Speaker C: My man.
[00:23:06] Speaker B: I'm Michael. Brother.
What?
I can't hear you, my man.
Do you want help getting to the hospital? I'm happy to help you.
Okay, you want to stand up and walk towards the ambulance you attacked the kid you had.
Come here, I'll help you up.
I'll help you up.
[00:23:31] Speaker A: We're doing a documentary about homelessness. Yeah.
[00:23:35] Speaker B: So, okay, come on.
[00:23:38] Speaker A: We saw this, and it's nice and easy now.
[00:23:40] Speaker B: Already up on your feet. Ready?
Yes.
[00:23:46] Speaker A: His friend said he just used fentanyl. He's not to overdose.
[00:23:49] Speaker B: Careful, careful.
[00:23:52] Speaker A: Something's definitely wrong with his legs. It's hurting.
[00:23:54] Speaker B: Okay. It's okay. Let's go there. I think the ambulance is driving away. Let's see if we can't wave them down.
[00:24:02] Speaker C: Come on, brother.
[00:24:04] Speaker B: A little bit more. Come on, a little bit more. Maybe we can get there.
You want. You want to go to the hospital right here?
[00:24:17] Speaker C: Yeah, right now? I don't even know to go to the.
[00:24:20] Speaker B: You want to go to the hospital?
[00:24:22] Speaker C: Yeah, he said he wants to go to the hospital.
[00:24:26] Speaker B: You do?
[00:24:27] Speaker C: Yo. Shit. Yeah. Okay.
[00:24:30] Speaker B: I'm happy to help.
I care about.
[00:24:40] Speaker C: No, you don't, bro.
[00:24:41] Speaker A: You don't.
[00:24:42] Speaker C: Yeah, if you do, I have seizures.
You know I have seizures. You don't have teachers. What? Yeah, laughed. Come on, now.
[00:25:04] Speaker B: Come on. I just want you to.
[00:25:06] Speaker A: Just have a seat.
[00:25:08] Speaker B: Have a seat.
[00:25:09] Speaker A: No, I mean, you know what? Their job is to get bad guys off the street, and they should stay in that lane.
[00:25:16] Speaker B: Here, just have a seat.
[00:25:17] Speaker A: You know what I mean? Come right over here.
Addicted to drugs. They need something completely different.
[00:25:23] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:25:25] Speaker C: No.
[00:25:25] Speaker B: No falling over. Have a seat.
[00:25:27] Speaker C: Come on.
[00:25:29] Speaker B: That wasn't me.
[00:25:30] Speaker C: That was. Yes, it was me.
[00:25:33] Speaker B: It wasn't me.
Great.
[00:25:40] Speaker A: It's just crazy, the juxtaposition between million dollar project blue collar workers. Over here. Yeah, real nice. High end over here. And then we have people dying on the streets, and it's like, we got to figure this out, you know?
All right, well, great. Have a good day.
[00:25:59] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:25:59] Speaker A: I'd shake your hand, but I don't want to.
Are they going to take them? No, because he's combative.
[00:26:08] Speaker B: Yes, I said. They said they're gonna leave him.
[00:26:17] Speaker A: Hey, can I not assault my guard?
[00:26:19] Speaker B: Why. Why are you doing that? That's not. Why would you do that? Like, can't you just be a gentleman?
[00:26:24] Speaker A: Do you not assault the guard?
[00:26:28] Speaker B: Why is Jesse. Hey, Jesse.
[00:26:30] Speaker C: No, I'm not gonna touch you.
[00:26:31] Speaker A: You just threw ice and orange juice on the camera, guy.
[00:26:35] Speaker B: Piece of ice.
[00:26:36] Speaker A: That's against the law. No, you threw it at him.
[00:26:39] Speaker B: I saw you, bro. Why are you doing that?
[00:26:41] Speaker C: Hey, I got.
[00:26:41] Speaker B: I'll talk to this guy. There's no reason to do that, man. No reason. You should be nice.
[00:26:46] Speaker A: We just saved that guy's life. What are you doing?
You want all the people to die of? Overdose of fentanyl.
He's wandering in the middle of the.
[00:27:05] Speaker B: Street, showed up, refused to transfer.
Can we call police?
[00:27:12] Speaker A: We draw, we get the license plate.
[00:27:36] Speaker B: I just watched the whole thing.
I don't know. Why'd you just hit him?
07:05 hey, it's gonna be the same location.
[00:27:48] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:27:49] Speaker B: Twelve and Harvey Mountain.
Just happen to call police.
[00:27:52] Speaker A: I know. Four, two, three. Mcg. We got the plate. He was on his vehicle?
[00:27:56] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And then he's bleeding from the head.
[00:28:00] Speaker A: So he laid on the top of the car as you were being assaulted by someone.
[00:28:07] Speaker B: Subject throwing orange juice at you. That driver got out.
[00:28:11] Speaker A: Drug this guy who medical refused to take.
[00:28:13] Speaker B: He's bleeding from the head, passed out.
[00:28:15] Speaker A: Basically, on the hood of a car at a red light. The guy came out of the car and shoved him into the concrete, and he hit his head on the curb. Now he has an open gash on his forehead, and now he has to go get medical help because he could have a concussion, so.
[00:28:32] Speaker B: What's that, brother?
[00:28:34] Speaker A: Yeah, you got that right. Yeah, yeah, he was on the car. I mean, the guy had the right to move him.
[00:28:39] Speaker B: All right. Yeah, he's not okay.
[00:28:43] Speaker A: Yeah, I saw this. Yeah, we called law enforcement. We're doing a documentary, so we got it on film. Actually, we just called medical because he just overdosed. We shaved him with Narcan, and he fought off AMR units. The medics so they refused to take him because he was combative. And so. But now he has to go to the hospital, man. There's.
[00:29:03] Speaker B: It's not gonna happen here, dude.
[00:29:05] Speaker A: I know, man. This is.
Yeah.
So we're gonna stay here until we can get this guy medical help. This guy needs medical help. Are they calling law enforcement?
[00:29:17] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:29:18] Speaker A: Okay, good.
[00:29:18] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:29:20] Speaker A: At this time, he needs a poh.
[00:29:22] Speaker B: 100%.
[00:29:23] Speaker A: Yeah. This is. This is ideal for a police officer. Hold when someone's combative, but they need to go to. They need medical care. This is what that's for. So.
[00:29:34] Speaker B: He'S been asking to go to the hospital.
[00:29:36] Speaker A: I know, repeatedly.
[00:29:38] Speaker B: This. This is, uh, this right here. This is unbelievable. I mean, if you didn't witness it.
[00:29:43] Speaker A: You'D be like, people in America need to see what's going on in Portland. This is. This is, like, normal. Like, people that are sitting at the cafe here are literally like, bro, the cops aren't gonna come, man. This is Portland. This is, like, normal. And so, you know, this. We gotta make this. We gotta find a way to fix this. This can't happen.
I don't know if. I don't think law enforcement's gonna come, bro.
[00:30:12] Speaker B: 07:05 712 hey.
[00:30:17] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:30:17] Speaker A: Okay.
You wanna get in the rundown?
[00:30:22] Speaker B: Yes, very much so.
[00:30:24] Speaker A: I had the plate number.
[00:30:26] Speaker B: Yeah, so do I.
Howdy.
We very much need a hand.
Would you like to hear the story?
Maybe.
One of my other guards interacted with this individual in the doorway over here. He was unarousable at the time.
Alcohol nearby. Another individual came up and said he was smoking fentanyl too. He had pinpoint pupils. We gave him cloxido. Okay. Fire showed up. He got to his feet. Was verbally and physically combative.
Medical. He said the whole time, I want to go to the hospital, but was abusive and combative. He came over here and jumped on the hood of a car. The driver got out, drug him off the hood. He hit his head on the curb during this altercation between the driver and him. Yes.
[00:31:26] Speaker C: Split his head open.
[00:31:27] Speaker B: Got a good old sized rash on his side. Still needs care. Is still in the medical condition that you can see him in. And here we are. And fire and medics left.
That's where we certainly stand. I don't know his name.
Yeah.
[00:31:43] Speaker C: Okay, so medics have come and gone, but obviously now he has hit it. So let's get medics back. Say. Let's say ask. Have medics arrived or if they already left? And if they left, we need them back because he is here semi conscious. Breathing has a head injury.
One two to zero five. Status check.
[00:32:16] Speaker B: Zero five.
My status is greatly confused.
The police are on scene, and we're working through this scenario with him.
[00:32:26] Speaker C: You didn't kill anybody recently, did you?
[00:32:29] Speaker B: Then we're probably good.
[00:32:32] Speaker C: Never know, though.
How did you wind up on the ground in such a sad state of affairs?
That's what I heard. What? What? You know why he did that?
You have made some decisions that might have contributed to your current situation. Maybe I have, but I have no idea what you're a big fan of. Realistic ticket, but out of. But I had any exclude what those pickers would. Is that because you're really drunk and high? No, dude. No.
I'm telling you what, I'm in the middle of brain trouble. I don't have any memory of what's happening. Okay. You did clonk your noggin a bit.
You clonked your noggin.
[00:33:34] Speaker B: The guy got out, like I said, gave him the what for, and he.
Of course not. Of course not.
[00:33:42] Speaker A: We got the plate number, though.
Yeah.
[00:33:47] Speaker C: Seems like he defended his property appropriately, in my opinion.
I was wondering if he wanted to stick around to be a victim of a vandalism?
[00:33:56] Speaker A: No, I think he was an Uber driver. Yeah, I think he was an Uber driver. He was, like, trying to get to his job.
[00:34:07] Speaker C: No, I think I would charge you.
[00:34:09] Speaker B: For jumping on the hood of his car.
[00:34:10] Speaker C: But if I were dying, would you? If you were dying, are you dying? I have no idea.
Would I charge you? You were dying?
Well, that's a hypothetical. That doesn't make a lot of sense, so I'm gonna. Yo, dude, you said when someone gives me an option, that's stupid. I just don't. I choose not to choose over here.
Anything good?
Nothing good.
Nothing that. We need to go watch him at the hospital.
[00:35:04] Speaker A: So, you know we have a county unit, a county medical unit, and city police. Right. And again, if you've watched the show, we talk a lot. How the new model has to be. There's, like, music in the background.
The new model has to be. It's a multidisciplinary team approach. You have to have more than just law enforcement. Right. You got to have drug counseling, social work, medical unit. Right. You can't just assume that everything is going to be a law enforcement call.
[00:35:41] Speaker C: It's not a POA. It's a default. It's like when we used to take someone to. Now what it is, we don't give.
[00:35:50] Speaker B: You a piece of paper because there.
[00:35:51] Speaker C: Is no piece of paper to give you Lrs. I'm telling you, my charge. He's got to go to the hospital. We follow you to the ER. We don't go into the yard with you.
Whatever he does there, I guess, is up to.
I mean, I'm gonna put them in the strain just as I wash.
The only reason I'm putting them on this detachment, really?
Please. Want to get his information right here.
[00:36:32] Speaker B: Witness statement.
Yep.
[00:36:35] Speaker C: I'm assuming the guy that want to get all set up real quick.
[00:36:38] Speaker B: No, that was Michael.
B O c K. Bach.
B O c K. Bach.
No, they are very wrong. I am. I gave him eight milligrams of naloxone, which is Cloxido.
Nasal. Yeah. He had pinpoint pupils when he arrived. And then after that, all of this is what birthed out of it. He was very much altered and much, much lower in his level of consciousness.
I care.
[00:37:23] Speaker C: A very hard manner.
All right, so we're gonna get you on this gurney.
Give me your hand, my friend.
We're not there yet. We gotta. You gotta scoot your buttocks up.
There we are. Victory is ours.
[00:37:49] Speaker B: He was in a doorway of a property with a lower level of consciousness. He was unable to maintain sentences. He was having a hard time breathing. Pinpoint pupils. We gave him naloxone. He came up, started becoming aggressive. We had medics show up at that time. He became aggressive with them, took a charge of the camera person, and that's when they decided to leave. He then came over here, jumped on the hood of a car, a minivan. I was on the other side of the street. The driver came out, drug him off the street. I believe his head hit the sidewalk. Okay. And then he's got a big old scrape on the side of his body. Now, the whole time he was asking to go to the hospital, he wants to go to the hospital, wants to go to the hospital. But he's still being aggressive and violent.
[00:38:44] Speaker C: So we're gonna do a detox hold, which I'm sure you haven't done. We don't do these anymore.
[00:38:51] Speaker B: We're making an exception because this guy.
[00:38:52] Speaker C: Is an exceptional case. So it's just gonna be a geo. There's no form to fill out. But we gotta follow. So our policies, we gotta follow them. Don't got it to go into the yard with them. All right, so put us up and run the call. So we're gonna. And he. And Brian here wants this guy to. Thank you, guys. I really appreciate it.
[00:39:19] Speaker A: Hey, sweetheart, do you want some peaches?
[00:39:21] Speaker B: See you later.
[00:39:22] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay. Let me grab them.
Here you go.
Fresh bag of peaches, some water, and some sanitary wipes.
Yeah, totally.
We're with loving one another.
[00:39:51] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:39:52] Speaker A: You want to give us a sit rep? Just tell us what happened? Give us a rundown on.
So we're in the middle of a call.
The guy's overdosing on alcohol.
We have another echelon guard actually gets the call. Yeah, we show up before medical.
[00:40:13] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:40:16] Speaker A: We show up before medical.
[00:40:18] Speaker B: And honestly, I'm just having a hard time processing all that because it's so.
It was outrageous and offensive, and the guy needed care.
[00:40:27] Speaker A: Well, let's not point fingers.
[00:40:29] Speaker B: It's just everybody knows you need care, correct?
[00:40:32] Speaker C: Yeah, I.
[00:40:32] Speaker A: Look, I had a lady eat her arm.
[00:40:34] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:40:34] Speaker A: And she tried to take one swing at a lifelike pilot, and they didn't put on the life flight. They put her. They put it on a medical bus because they said if she tried to get combative, it could take the whole.
[00:40:47] Speaker B: Yeah, so I understand. I'm just saying, like.
So when we arrived, he had a lower level of consciousness, pinpoint pupils and an open count of alcohol next to him.
[00:40:58] Speaker A: Pinpoint pupils indicates opioid use.
[00:41:00] Speaker B: Opioid use. Yeah, opioid use. And then we had a bystander come by and say that within five. And who I know and I also know is credible, came by and said that he witnessed the individual using fentanyl within a period of five minutes before he arrived.
I didn't see any signs, no straws or whatever. So the only thing I had to go on was the pinpoint pupils. But given that history and the altered level of consciousness and the difficulty maintaining his own breathing gave him some cloxido.
[00:41:32] Speaker A: Which is essentially a type of Narcan.
[00:41:34] Speaker B: It's a double strength. Narcan is the easiest way to put it. And it was at that point then, that he became more conscious, was able to maintain his own airway better, and became verbally abusive and combative to the fire department that had just arrived.
[00:41:48] Speaker C: So they.
[00:41:49] Speaker A: Because he was combative, they refused. They took his combativeness as a refusal of medical care, which is very common in the industry.
Right. So he did not say he as he was combative. He was saying he wanted to go to the hospital, but he maintained his combative nature.
He actually attacked our camera guy.
[00:42:08] Speaker B: Agreed, right?
[00:42:09] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:42:09] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:42:10] Speaker A: So he did attack the camera guy. He tried to grab and attack the medic as well.
So because of that, they took that as a refusal of care. So everyone has the legal and constitutional right to not be taken by the government somewhere. And because of that, you have the right to refuse care, right to protect your civil rights. And so they took his combative nature as him essentially refusing care, which led to him walking into traffic.
[00:42:39] Speaker B: Yeah. And in traffic. Then he jumped on the hood of another car, a minivan, with which the driver got out and got into a physical altercation with him, which was more than just dragging him off the sidewalk.
[00:42:49] Speaker A: We did not get that on video because our camera guy was then assaulted by a second individual who had nothing to do with the first incident. Causing a second incident, he threw water and orange juice and ice at our camera guy, which then caused another altercation, which made it. Which actually. We actually lost.
[00:43:06] Speaker B: We lost.
[00:43:07] Speaker A: We lost sight of the suspect until we saw him over the. The hood of a vehicle.
[00:43:11] Speaker B: Right.
[00:43:12] Speaker A: At that point, we ran towards the vehicle, and the guy had already threw him off the vehicle and hit the curb.
[00:43:17] Speaker B: And these are lots of abrasions on the sides. One witness said that he witnessed him punch him in the head.
[00:43:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:43:24] Speaker B: And then he got into his car and then drove off. At that point in time, he's bleeding from a head injury with abrasions all up and down his body. And given his level of consciousness and the current need for medical care, we called 911 again, told police and fire and medical this was actually an actual crime occurred. Do another assessment. That's right.
[00:43:40] Speaker A: So we got law enforcement involved because he was blocking traffic. Right. Which is disorderly conduct in the second degree. That's the statute here in Oregon. And not only was there traffic being blocked, but also there was an assault. The assault became an injury, which could easily be considered a felony. Right.
[00:44:01] Speaker B: So at that point in time, the police showed up again, interacted with him, got his name and date of birth. They called medical again, and then they transported him to the hospital.
[00:44:09] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:44:09] Speaker A: And so what exactly were they saying as he was being put in the bus?
[00:44:13] Speaker B: I didn't catch all of it, but it sounds like he's putting him on a detox hold, which Portland, according to the officer, I overheard him say, say that's not something that they do anymore. And he said something to the effect of Hooper being no more. Meaning the detox center.
[00:44:27] Speaker A: Correct.
[00:44:27] Speaker B: So essentially, the police and the ambulance now are following. The police is following the ambulance to the hospital, where they will transfer care to the hospital and then get in a message.
[00:44:36] Speaker A: So they did what we hoped they would do. They conducted a police officer hold, not for a mental health issue, but for a detox issue. The person was still a danger to themselves and others. Right. They committed a crime unknowingly. They walked in the middle of traffic. Right. Which is a danger to themselves. They then became assaulted by someone else. Right. That's another endangerment issue. So I think that law enforcement made a good call here. Excellent. They did the poh. They got him on a detox hold. Unfortunately, the guy had to be almost assaulted and almost ran over by multiple vehicles as he was hidden by the slope of the street. So, yeah. Anything to close this out.
Just another day and just.
[00:45:19] Speaker B: Yeah, another day. And with a very vivid example of how hurting so many people in the city are and.
[00:45:26] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:45:26] Speaker B: And how hard it is to get certain people help. That's right. Yeah. All right. Not easy.
[00:45:32] Speaker A: Just another day on patrol.
Ride along podcast. Check it out.
Good job, Hawk.
[00:45:42] Speaker B: Can you believe that?
I literally was like.
[00:45:45] Speaker A: I can believe.
[00:45:46] Speaker B: And part of it was how he was being spoken to.
[00:45:48] Speaker C: Hey.
[00:45:49] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree with you.
Awesome, man. Well, bach, honestly, man, it's always a good day with you. I feel like you're a complete shit magnet, and I love that about you.
[00:46:02] Speaker B: I'm not trying to be.
[00:46:03] Speaker A: I know, bro. But that's what the ride along is about. It's about doing real work in real time and appreciate you again, letting us following you around, being on the show, be able to document what's really happening on the streets. It's been really important. You've been an integral piece of that. And again, I just want to thank you for coming out and letting us follow you around, man.
[00:46:24] Speaker B: Yeah, no problem.
[00:46:25] Speaker A: Appreciate it, bro.
[00:46:26] Speaker B: Yeah, every day.
[00:46:28] Speaker A: Great. Well, that's the ride along. We appreciate everyone being here.
Keep watching us. We're out there on the streets trying to save lives. Every day. We got to do what it takes to make that happen. And we're glad that at least people are becoming more aware through this show of what's really going on on the streets of Portland and what's going on all across America. Thanks for watching. Yeah.
